Roster bonus Rogers' sticking point
The Bengals attempted to trade for a true nose tackle, 360-plus pound Shaun Rogers, with the Lions on Friday. But word is the sticking point was an NFL interpretation of a $1 million roster bonus allocation due Rogers at 12:01 a.m. today.
"Clubs discuss trades all the times that are not completed," Greg Aiello, NFL Senior Vice President of Public Relations, said today. "This is a club matter and we are not in a position to comment."
Jack Brennan, the Bengals' PR director, said this morning that the Bengals never confirmed the trade, though it was widely wide reported in the media with other sources, namely the Lions and Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire. The Bengals were going to give Detroit third- and fifth-round picks in April’s draft.
In the meantime, with Rogers now a member of the Cleveland Browns, who gave the Lions their third-round 2008 pick and cornerback Leigh Bodden, the Bengals are still in search for help in their front seven.
posted by Mark at 12:18 PM
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Post a Comment*It gets more and more hilarious with every blog entry. Who runs the Bengals a 12 year old? It seems like the Browns understand how a roster bonus works. My god are the Bengals cheap.
Maybe the Bengals can resign Kenderick Allen to the league minimum.
" But word is the sticking point was an NFL interpretation of a $1 million roster bonus allocation due Rogers at 12:01 a.m. today."
Why did that interpretation matter with the Bengals but not the Browns?
Lets make this simple he was due $1million in a bonus payment come 12:01 am today. Detroit wanted him gone so that they didn't have to pay that it. The Bengals were set to make the trade but had to get an exemption from the league because the $1 million would have gone on last year's cap.
The league said "No" because that is a known rule. For the Bengals to do that and not know a known rule is very sad and shows us how behind the Front Office of the Bengals is. They should all be fired. Another Bungle mistake and everyone is trying to make excuses for them. There is no excuse. They are a mess and always will be.
The best piece of speculation I've seen on the whole "salary cap" thing is that the $1 million roster bonus had to be counted against the 2007 cap; as a "likely to be earned" incentive the Lions had already been charged $1 million in cap space for it. So they get a $1 million credit back on this season's cap, and the Bengals had to retroactively apply the $1 million to their 2007 cap. But the Bengals went over the 2007 cap because of injuries and Hall's performance bonus, and the NFL wouldn't grant the Bengals any kind of exemption.
Another year of ineptitude. The draft will go like this: the Bungles will lose out on Ellis, Dorsey, and Gholston, settle for a bum like Merling, and won't have the cajones to draft Campbell. The defense will be ranked in the high 20's at best, and the Browns will finish ahead of the Bungles again. Mike Brown and the Blackburn knuckleheads are asleep at the wheel again. At least the Reds will be decent. The Bungles management makes me sick...
It's pretty clear the Bengals have no plan what so ever. They just kinda make stuff up as they go along. Amazing!
Well done Mike "Bungle" Brown.
" But word is the sticking point was an NFL interpretation of a $1 million roster bonus allocation due Rogers at 12:01 a.m. today."
Why did that interpretation matter with the Bengals but not the Browns?
If I understand what occured the bungles agreed to pay Rogers 1mil bonus as part of the deal but it would have counted against their 2007 cap. The bungles didn't have the cap space left on their 2007 books to clear this bonus so the league nixed the deal.
Clearly, the Clowns did have the cap space so they got Rogers and we didn't. Get it now?
if anon 12:41s report is right its not really an issue of bengal ineptitutde
Hey but at least we got Dhani Jones.
What a bunch of clowns running this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No wonder no free agents want to sign with us, not only do we refuse to pay them, but we don't even know what we have to pay them! Great job on the Rogers deal Bengals management... different year, same old story.
if i wasn't such a die-hard fan since i was 8, this annual ineptitude by everyone in charge during both free agency and the draft would be laughable. unfortunately, it isn't and i just hope each year that someone, anyone, will get a clue. that never happens. almost nothing ever is done well (Carson being the one relatively recent exception). we sign & re-sign guys that are about as useful as a poopy flavored lollypop(yes, props to the movie Dodgeball!)and let the guys that could help us go to Cleveland. It is a perfect blueprint for failure. If i was a GM of any other team, i would watch what the Bengals do and simply do the opposite. I live between Baltimore and Pittsburgh and have to listen to crap from fans of both. Nobody in the Bengals front office gives me anything at all to fight back with. As they say, "the fish rots from the head."
I,m sick n tired of rooting for the bengals. I,ve been a fan 28 years. Mike Brown SUCKS. Marvin Lewis is just like him NOW. Bengals will never change,untill MB sells the team,GET LOST MIKE BROWN
this falls into 1 of 2 catagories:
1.) incompetence - they simply did not know/understand league rules
or
2) cheap - they either tried to negotiate the roster bonus or wait till after midnight and force the Lions to eat it...
not going to lie...we are in huge trouble. We need to sign a coupl defensive lineman or a couple of LB's pronto. Right now im putting us in the bottom half in the division. Mike start doing something for once in your life!!
the truly sad thing here is that if you can (in good concience) blame a coach for 18 years of ineptitude there is reason for hope, just change the coach...when the front office and organization is as incompetant as this franchise is, all the way to the inbred top, how do you fix it...???...
It was just announced that Tom Cruise is going to be filming a sequel to his 1983 football movie, "All the right moves." In this one, he is going to play the part of Mike Brown and it is called "All the wrong moves." If you are a Bengals fan there is no need to see it. You have lived it!
Way to go Bungles, I am sick and tired of losing out in every offseason. Maybe the Browns will be the best team in the AFC North not just Ohio, if the lowly Browns can get it right why can't we? I might as will become a bandwagon fan because I am sick of being let down by the Bengals!
This is the worst franchise in all of sports.The owner is a complete idiot,his daughter & son in law, Know NOTHING about football or running a business.
Browns pick up on another bad bungle decision.Inept.How many is that now?Too many to list!
Hire a GM who knows something about running a football team,not a bunch of incomputs who know how to run a carpetbagging business.
Ah the infamous words of the biggest bambozzler Ever,
"Business as usual"-Mike Brown
or even better "NO comment"-Bungles Front office
Mike Brown Cincinnati hates you & it's obivious you hate us,please sell the team to Mark Cuban,he cares about his team,his fan base, his players, & his pocket book(Because when your team is successful,you make money,you players play hard for you, & your customers are satisfed,duh!!!!!)
It just gets more and more embarrassing each year. Sounds like the front office has returned to the inept ways that were all too common during the late 90's / early 00's.
We need to unite as a fan-base and do something this season similar to the 'Millen Man March' in Detroit a few years ago. Pick a game next season when the Bengals have a Sun night/Mon night home game, and leave the stadium in droves after halftime. Something to embarrass Mikey boy and make a point on national television.
THIS IS SUCH A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The league had nothing to do with this. We either A) didn't turn the paperwork in B) turned it in wrong, like signing an incorrect score card in golf or C) after they accpeted the trade we tried to get are cheapness on and decided to counter with a 3rd and 7th. Option C is what I believed happened. The Lions of course balked at that, called us names and laughed at us, and then made a better deal with Cleveland. We are left looking like clowns while Mike Brown cashes all of our 2008 season ticket deposits which were due on Friday. MIKE BROWN doesn't care about you or me or any other fan. He has no interest in winning only counting his checks and eating off the 99 cent menu at Wendy's. Get ready for a 10 loss season and 4 terrible draft picks.
Mark, what is the issue regarding the bonus? Why do I have to read anonymous posts to find an explanation? Aren't you the reporter?
Since our writers and bengal staff wont explore the actual realities of what is happening with the league why dont we?
Why dont we stop whining and be proactive? Lets write JC and others and say....
Dear John Clayton,
Can you please address some of the things that have been inconsistent regarding the Bengals and the league offices treatment of the team?
Below is an excerpt from Bengals.com and Geoff Hobson...
"3. WEIRD DAY: I Believe I Think I Know that Friday was one of the weirdest days in Bengaldom.
How about this? With all the scuttlebutt running so rampant about free-agency tampering last week in Indy, the NFL steps in on what appears to be an obscure technicality to nix the Shaun Rogers trade. It's like flicking a cigar ash when the house is on fire.
But you know what they say. Some of the best deals are the ones you don't make. The guy is a marvelous player, no question. And there's no question he fits exactly what the Bengals need. But he has a lot of issues, too, ones we have seen more times than a bad '60s sitcom.
But you have to hand it to Bengals president Mike Brown and Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis: Daryl Gardener. Warren Sapp. Sam Adams. Shaun Rogers. They know what they need and they're going to keep trying to get it."
Why did the league choose not to allow this trade?
The second question is one that we as Bengals fans have had for nearly a year now. Why was Odell Thurman suspended for another year with no cause stated. The Bengals and his agent both believed that he would be returning and he had completed all of the necessary requirements to return. Yet he was suspended again for a year.
No one on the national level has addressed these discrepancies in treatment of Bengal issues as opposed to other team issues.
We as the Bengalnation look forward to your response...
I love it!! This town loves a winner and bails on a loser. This town went from "In Marvin we trust," to "fire Marvin, he's just like Mike Brown." I got news for you Cincy fans, the winning seasons were the fluke. As long as Mike Brown is in charge you can forget about making moves that will make your team a winner, he's only concerned with making money....unlike Cleveland Browns, where the priority was always winning, but until Phil Savage got hired, ineptitude was the problem....not cheapness. By the way, I love how fans in Cincy like to make comments how "if the Clowns can do it why cant we." It's as if th Browns were always miesrable, and not the truth.... that it's only been since we got our team taken from us. And then stuck with an expansion team. How many time's have the Bengals been to the playoffs in the last ten years? Now count the Brown trips in the same time? Exactley....you fron runners are getting exactly what you deserve....a team full of Mike Brown's spare parts.....
I don't understand the uproar. I live in Detroit and watch a lot of Lions games. The Bengals don't want Rogers--he doesn't try and never will. He's 370, not 340, and not in a good way.
The Bengals may even have realized this and not "consummated" the trade because of it. Heck, maybe they decided to go after the far superior Dewayne Robertson once he became available.
Rogers wasn't going to solve any problems--I've watched far too much of him to be convinced otherwise. But he certainly would have caused some.
Either way, the Bengals are lucky they don't have him. Roberston is the answer.
50,000+ still buy season tickets?
Can anyone explain this to the rest of us?
From Mlive.com Seems the Bengals were in a no win situation...
The Bengals entered the picture later in the day and the two teams worked out a deal for the two draft picks. The trade was agreed to by the 4 p.m. deadline, but there was a delay over the legal language in the deal that took it beyond the deadline. As a result, the Lions were responsible for paying Rogers a $1 million roster bonus that was due on Saturday (because Rogers would still officially be on the Lions roster at the start of the day).
To work around that, the Lions and Bengals agreed to a provision in the trade that said the Bengals would pay the Lions the $1 million. In addition to that, if Rogers subsequently failed his physical, Rogers' rights would revert back to Detroit and the Lions would have to reimburse the Bengals the $1 million. The Lions agreed to those terms.
According to both sources, the league office rejected those terms because there was no language in the Collective Bargaining Agreement that allowed for an accurate accounting of that money for salary cap purposes. That's what led to all the confusion Friday afternoon. Both teams had agreed to the deal - and that's what was being reported - but there was really no deal.
While the Lions and Bengals were pleading their case to the league office to agree to the contract, the Browns - one of Cincinnati's division rivals - got wind of the impending trade.
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Shaun Rogers' agent contacted the Cleveland Browns after the league rejected an earlier trade with the Cincinnati Bengals, according to sources.It's not completely clear who initiated the contact, but Rogers' agent was in touch with the Browns and the long-term contract situation no longer appeared to be a problem. The Lions were then contacted and asked if they were still interested in doing business with the Browns. Leigh Bodden was back on the table and the Lions leaped at it.
But there was still the issue of the $1 million roster bonus and that wasn't going to change. However, Rogers was willing to do something for the Browns, one of the league's up-and-coming young teams, that he wasn't willing to do for the Bengals -- agree to postpone the due date of the roster bonus. That effectively made it a non-issue with the league and opened the door for the trade with Cleveland.
The Bengals were stuck. They didn't want to continue with a trade which might end up costing them $1 million for nothing. Rogers held the hammer because he was the only one who could dictate the terms of the roster bonus payout.
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