These readers blame Bengals (and me)
Nobody seems to agree with the analysis I wrote for the Friday Enquirer about the trade of Shaun Rogers to the Bengals that was prohibited by the NFL.
I stand by the story.
A sampling of the e-mails that came directly to me:
-- You need to get off your Bengals cheerleading route for once and get to the bottom of a Bengals story with the analysis. If we're just gonna go ahead and keep letting some of that bengals management mess up all of this teams chances (like the recent Detroit trade deal) then nothing's ever gonna change. All I'm saying is that blaming the NFL for our (the bengals) mistakes isn't very insightful. -- Greg
-- What I want to know about this Shaun Rogers to Bengals trade botchment is why the Bengals could just let it all play out the way it did. I mean for one we should have had a contingency plan built into the agreement so we wouldn't get screwed the way we did and for two why couldn't we have just postponed the roster bonus payment and avoided all of the crap we got from the NFL? Seems like the Browns have got a bit of an edge on us in terms of management and player personnel because look at how easily they managed to capitilize on our botch. And yes, the Bengals did in fact botch this deal, Mark. -- Anthony
-- The only thing I don’t understand is how did the Browns manage to do the trade but the Bengals couldn’t? the only explanation I can see is that the Browns know what they’re doing and the Bengals are not only inept and don’t really care about winning. But they will make a tremendous profit this year. -- Barry
-- I just read the "Bonus made trade tricky" bengals analysis by Mark Curnutte and I've got to see it sounds like Mark has got a bit of an agenda here. I mean I can understand he wants to keep the Bengals overall in a good light, but when they mess up a huge deal like this there has got to be someone held accountable for the mess that ensues. I mean a lot of people are pretty ticked off about this whole Sean Rogers deal going bad and this article does nothing more than take the Bengals from fault at any means necessary when there really might be more to the story. Guess Mark might be dreaming of a career at the Bengals someday if you know what I mean. -- Paul
-- So it seems that you guys are just going to let the Bengals management right off the hook with this Rogers deal. I for one find it pretty ridiculous to start out an article with "the Bengals did not botch the almost-trade" when that is just about exactly what happened. If the Bengals were more prepared and aware that the leagues "language involving the roster bonus had no precedent in league salary-cap rules", then why wouldn't they cover their bases before proceeding with the attempted trade agreement? These Brown family members don't know their football and it is showing now more than ever. So why not bring the issues with Bengals management to the attention of your readers rather than just let the Bengals management off the hook from the get go? Let's keep the special interests of your writer and subjective reporting out of your newspaper. -- Rich
-- How are you going to say the bengals didn't botch up that shaun rogers trade? Now he's on his way to cleveland and our team got shafted! But instead of putting some much needed pressure on some bengals player personnel advisors we're just going to give them a free pass. I see. Well I just feel that someone messed this up on our end and they need to be held accountable, not the NFL. Those rules are set already and we need people at the bengals that know them like the back of their hand if we want to be successful both on and off the field in the NFL. -- John
12 Comments:
The Browns overpaid for Rogers by trading Bodden and a 3rd rounder. They also signed him to $20 mill guaranteed which the Bengals never would have never done.
Trade 85
Trade 85. HA! They gave him a raise even AFTER assaulting the head coach. Never going to happen...
The Bengals didn't botch the trade at all. Rogers agreed to postpone the payment for the Browns, not for the Bengals.
I am sorry your readers aren't smart enough to understand that.
I couldn't agree more with what each of these people emailed to you Mark. As a fan who has been two the last two Bengals playoff games, I am sure I know more about the team and the direction this organization needs to go in than ANYONE in the Brown family tree. I would be more than happy to submit an application to the front office. With the third best QB in the league and a very prolific offense, we should have been more aggressive over the last 5 years to improve our Defense and win now! Instead, the leaders of our organization sit back and make lots of money to do nothing...
I concur with Rich's response. The Bengals should know about this sort of thing ahead of time and should've checked with the league and covered their bases if they really wanted Rogers.
The ONLY thing the Bengals did right here was not officially announce the trade themselves.
Thinking about Eric Ghuchiac trying to block Rogers twice a season makes me ill.
The Bengals are not, and will never be, a winning franchise. They are and always will be losers, this is a perfect example of why that is so, incompetent management.
Keep drinking that 5 year old Marvin Kool-Aid folks and the one winning season in the last 17 years in your hearts - it's all we will ever have for some time.
Mark,
Sounds like your article is right on. I would want Bodden over a 5th rounder too. The Browns were probably holding out thinking the Lians would eventually give, when the saw the deal almost go through with the Bengals, they gave in on Bodden. People in this city need to relax or go be fans of another team. The Browns overpaid for a lazy tackle in the trade and then they gave him 20mil guaranteed. We don't need to spend our money on a player like Rogers.
Mark seems baffled as to why the fans are taking it out on him. Truthfully, the point that seems to be missed is that Rogers agreed to defer the $1 million dollar bonus then due so a physical could take place -- something he did not say he was willing to do for the Bengals.
However, where the criticism is valid is the refusal of Mark and the rest of the Cincy media to not hold the Bengals liable for their continued ineptitude. Marvin is the messiah although almost none of his free agent signings (other than Bobbie Williams and Kelly to a degree) have been anything but disasters and his drafting prowess is so abysmal as to be Dolphins-like. With the loss of Landon Johnson, three No. 2's, three No. 3's and two No. 4's drafted within the last five years are no longer with the club -- and that does not include the injury-made-worthless careers of Pollack, Perry and Irons. So a team that claims to depend on the draft is dying by the draft and not even one story on the issue can be found in this paper. THAT is one reason why the VERY angry and fed up Bengals fans consider him a homer.
Point 1. Mike should have asked Rodgers if he would postpone the bonus payment for one week.
Point 2. Mike should have known that, if the trade was not finalized by 4PM, the Lions would have to pay the bonus.
Point 3. Mike should have asked the NFL and NFLPA if the conditional roster bonus language was legal.
This was purely an instance of the Bengals legal team not knowing the rules of the game. And that means the Bengals botched the trade.
Mark: the NFL nixed the trade because, as written, it was illegal. The player involved didn't help the situation, but given players usually don't have much say in these things, you can't blame him. However, the Bengals could have just absorbed the $1MM as a cost of doing business and this never would have happened.
Scott in Raleigh
Mark, you have pretty much failed to lend any critical truly objective insight to most of the failures of the Bengals front office and lack of internal control of the team. You don't have to be overly critical, but you should exhibit some professional skepticism about the 'company line' responses given by the Bengals when they make a mistake. Please take a look at the beat writers for other NFL teams, Titans, Colts, Browns, the list goes on and on.
Mark's reporting of the Bengals comes across as very "pro-Bengal". I rarely read anything in the Enquirer that is overly or even remotely critical of the Bengals' organization. The Rogers article is just another example of this. The softball interview with Mike Brown earlier in the year is another example. And there are many more examples.
In short, Mike Brown has been given a free pass from the Enquirer.
I would like to see an extensive in-depth article about what exactly goes on with this team's front office. I would like to read what people outside the Bengals have to say about the Bengals' organization. There's a reason this team has had one winning season in the last 17 years. But such critical reporting is not found at the Enquirer, in either sports or other news departments.
It certainly appears that Mike Brown and this organization are incompetent. On top of that, it appears that there is no true committment to winning. Rather, there is a committment to making huge amounts of money. If the team can make money and win, that's fine. But winning is a secondary goal behind making huge profits.
It's really a shame that Cincinnati is stuck with a franchise that doesn't rally give a damn about its fan base. It's also a shame that when the Bengals fail to make the playoffs next year, the "Pro-Bengal" reporting at the Enquirer will stay the same.
Do you people actually follow football or do you just live in a vaccuum?
It wasn't the contract. - Rogers (and his agent) were happy with the contract offer.
It wasn't the $1M roster bonus. - The Bengals agreed to pay it.
It wasn't the timing of the roster bonus. Rogers agent stated he would have slid the date for any team to get out of Detroit.
It was a technicality that the NFL caused the deal to get held up. The Lions and Bengals argued to have accepted. Meanwhile the Brown-stains gave up Bodden to get the deal done with Lions.
Yes. Let's blame Mark for reporting the information he has available. Mark, you are terrible and need to start telling people what they want to hear. Maybe make up something sensational while you're at it. We miss all the off-field scandal. I heard Marvin was getting scouted by the Cavaliers as a towel boy. Anything to that?
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