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Mark Curnutte started covering the Bengals and the NFL for The Enquirer in 2000. He previously wrote about urban affairs and other social issues for the Enquirer. He won the prestigious 1994 Unity Award from Lincoln University (Missouri) for "A Polite Silence," a seven-day series about race relations in Greater Cincinnati. He also has worked as an assistant features editor and features writer at The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C. Curnutte is second vice president and a three-year board member of the Professional Football Writers of America (PFWA). He is a 1984 Miami University graduate.

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Saturday, February 16, 2008

The Crumpler question

Your comments on the question of whether the Bengals should take a look at linebacker Zack Thomas (released by Miami) led to many of you wanting the Bengals to make a run at tight end Alge Crumpler, released Friday by the Falcons.

Crumpler had the second highest salary cap number -- salaries, bonuses, etc. -- in the NFL last season at $4.7 million. He also has suffered injuries. Lost in the wave of big-name cuts was the termination of the contract of linebacker Marcus Wilkins, a productive member of the Bengals special teams before he signed as an unrestricted free agent with the Falcons a year ago.

Here is more on Crumpler:

By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The first jolt of change for the Falcons came Friday, when the team released seven players, including four former starters -- popular four-time Pro Bowl tight end Alge Crumpler among them.

The cuts weren't that much of a surprise nor were they nearly as drastic as they could have been. Then again, more changes could be forthcoming.

"Today we accomplished what we wanted to accomplish as far as refining this roster," general manager Thomas Dimitroff said. "Today, our salary cap is just shy of $17 million space. Will there be more moves in the near future or later? I can't answer that right now. I do know we will consider this process of evaluating the free-agent market as well as the draft dynamic and, at that time, we will re-evaluate if we need to make a move or not."

Team owner Arthur Blank said projections are to have at least $23 million to spend in free agency, so more changes, either player cuts or salary restructuring, could be in order.

Other than Crumpler, one of the team's longtime leaders and best players, former Pro Bowl defensive tackle Rod Coleman, left tackle Wayne Gandy, quarterback Byron Leftwich, linebacker Marcus Wilkins, wide receiver Jamin Elliott and cornerback Lewis Sanders were released.

Among the tenured, high-salaried veterans spared in the initial wave of cuts: tailback Warrick Dunn, quarterback Joey Harrington, linebacker Keith Brooking, guard Kynan Forney, wide receivers Joe Horn and Brian Finneran, and safety Lawyer Milloy.

The commonality of the higher profile cuts Friday -- medical issues. Crumpler, Gandy, Coleman and Leftwich were limited and missed playing time during the Falcons' 4-12 run last season because of injuries.

"We looked at all the issues, weighed in all the factors, and it's not only age and injury," said Dimitroff, adding that scheme-fit and long-term contributions also were factors.

Gandy (left knee), Coleman (right quadriceps, knee, triceps, pectoral) and Sanders (pectoral) finished the season on injured reserve. Crumpler, 30, never fully recovered from offseason knee surgery, missed two games and had his second-least productive season (42 catches, 444 yards, five touchdowns) of his stellar seven-year career.

If healthy, Crumpler isn't expected to be out of work for long. Tampa Bay and Seattle are among teams in significant need of a tight end, especially one of Crumpler's stature.


20 Comments:

at 2/16/2008 9:23 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

No thanks. The Bengals have enough damaged goods. Period.

 
at 2/16/2008 9:24 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say pass on Crumpler. I don't think the Bengals should spend that kind of money on a TE at this point. I would rather see them bring Rodney Holman out of retirement than sign Crumpler. I agree that they should pursue a complete TE possibly in the draft, but if they are going to be active in free agency, it needs to be on the defensive side of the ball.

 
at 2/16/2008 9:59 AM Blogger Champ Summers said...

ESPN reports that Crumpler would have interest in Carolina as well. He is a native and college alumni of UNC. Who are the other pass catching TE on the market?

 
at 2/16/2008 12:06 PM Blogger wiseinsrq said...

just say no to crumpler...but i have more interest in wilkins and coleman...special teams stud and another warm body at LB is never a bad thing...and if you can get coleman cheap he'd give some solid pass rush up the middle, or may even translate into a 3-4 DE because he is an undersized DT that plays with leverage and quickness

 
at 2/16/2008 12:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

No to Crumpler. He's on the downside.

Matt Schobel might be cut in Philly, since they're spending a lot on franchising LJ Smith, and they are high on Brent Celak, someone the Bengals should've considered more considering he's was right under their nose.

I would consider bringing back Schobel at a reasonable price, but I do agree it's mostly likely a 3rd or 4th round draft pick for a pass-catching TE, which I'm fine with.

I would say Rod Coleman, or if Keith Brooking becomes available, are worth a look.

There also seems to be a lot of offensive linemen being released, Gandy here, Wahle from the Panthers (since signed w/ Seattle), Welbourn from the Chiefs. Might be worth looking at some of these guys, especially if the guards could move to center and challenge Ghuiciac, or if we can't re-sign Stacy.

 
at 2/16/2008 12:44 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Crumpler is worth a look. He's got age and physical issues working against him, but if he's healthy enough to contribute for a year or two, why not offer him an incentive laden deal? This is reported to be a weak draft for TE's, and the better pass catchers are guys who will need some time to develop as blockers. So Crumpler could help short term, even if you draft another TE. With as much attention as the Bengals' wideouts attract, a tight end working the middle could be huge, and Crumpler has proven to be effective at that, mostly playing on teams with weak receivers.

Wilkins was such a great special teams guy! It would be great to have him back, but can you afford to use that roster spot for a guy who's never been able to contribute much at linebacker?

 
at 2/16/2008 1:25 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad to see the posters here are right on! Crumpler is not an upgrade to this team, really he is not. Our TE, although not Pro-Bowlers, are very good within our offense. Crumpler would be a third TE on our team, nothing against him, but he is aging (note his injuries piling up) and we don't need to get players who are injury prone. I admit that our TE need to learn how to block a little better, but their receiving capabilities are adequate. A late late round pick up in the draft would be fine, we have to many other pressing issues to deal with (the lines) before we look at picking up a LB or TE. Pass on Thomas and Crumpler, wait on a difference maker at DT or DE in free agency, they are coming......

 
at 2/16/2008 1:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get Crumpler, or at least look at him, if he is not to expensive get him! He has had one bad year due to injury and a terrible team. We could use him. Do you remember how he hurt us when we played Atlanta? Carson could use an additional safety blanket

 
at 2/16/2008 4:55 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am more interested in how to get rid of Mike Brown. That is the ONLY move that will make the team better.

 
at 2/16/2008 7:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do any of you posting on this blog even watch football. The guy has missed maybe 5-6 games MAX in his CAREER. What is wrong with you people! I am not saying throw him a check and let him fill in the blanks, but at least sign him to a couple years with incentives. Our TE's couldn't carry Crumpler's jock in a suite case! For the right price I would love to see this guy in orange and black. You people need to wake up and realize a good football player when you see one.
Kent-Kingston, Ohio

 
at 2/16/2008 9:34 PM Blogger Monclova Steve said...

Kent 7:10:
You're right. Those of us who participate on the Enquirer blogs must not watch as much football as you do.
You're also right that something must be wrong with us. We obviously need to wake up.
We somehow have to realize that your opinion is more valid than anyone else's.
Please give us credit, though, for learning that you can't simply express your opinion. You have to belittle others also to make your point.
You must be so proud.

 
at 2/16/2008 10:58 PM Blogger OrangeD00d said...

Alge Crumpler is a STUD. Yes, he was injured last year. It happens. But I doubt he forgot how to play football. Carson Palmer got injured, he came back. It's possible these days with advanced medicine.

I doubt the Bengals can or will outbid the MANY other teams that will be interested in Crumpler. And really, with their offensive scheme the pass-catching abilities of the tight end are not as important as other teams.

The Bengals basically use the tight end as a fullback. They use more 3-WR looks and other gimmick formations. If they need an extra pass catcher, they put Chris Henry or Kenny Watson in the game.

If the tight end is lined up next to the tackle, on of three things will happen:

1. Run between the tackles
2. Deep out
3. Play-fake, over the top

I think it would be nice if they diversified the role of their tight end with a more all-around player like Crumpler. But it's not gonna happen on Bratkowski's watch, so stop wishing it would.

 
at 2/17/2008 12:29 AM Blogger Captain Science said...

I think Crunpler would be a great addition to this offense. He can block as well as catch well. His force would allow more versatility in the formation as well as overall play calling. I say pay him his $4-5 million.

 
at 2/17/2008 11:45 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crumpler is an interesting possibility. If healthy, how good could he be with a top QB like Palmer throwing to him. It would really give the defense something to think about and take pressure off the wideouts. It would keep the safety away from the line thus helping the running game too. Humm, very interesting.

 
at 2/17/2008 3:06 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. Some bloggers here need to get out more. Schobel??? Wilkins?? Please. This team needs a tight end. Here is a 5 time Pro Bowler who got injured and still had a better year than any of our tight ends in the last 5years!! And While Reggie Kelly is a fine TE, he is not threat at all; there is no depth behind him if he gets hurt; and Crumpler will be able to exploit the middle when TJ and Chad are double teamed. All it takes to get him is money and the Bengals have $30 MILLION (!!!) in cap space. So unless his injury still affects him, this is a no brainer and you could use the 3rd round pick you save on more safeties, depth at LB, OL or CB.

Enough with the third tier free agents! Get someone who has done something and is not 35.

 
at 2/17/2008 10:05 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's naive to say he wouldn't improve this team. Our offense did struggle last year (people seem to forget we had trouble scoring in the red zone). TE's help the red zone attack.

That said, we have a lot of questions on D. I think our secondary is somewhat settled (only real question is Mr. Williams). With the possibility of Odell and Ahmad coming back (I'm betting no Pollack) - Our LB's might not need much work. We really need a few good D Lineman.. I think we could cut Rudi, pick up Crumpler, and see a large improvement.

But as someone said earlier, your coordinator has to know when and how to use a TE - and I believe lots of Crumplers success was due to Vick scrambling, pulling LB's out of place, and Crumpler being wide open in space. I don't think you'd see near the numbers in Cincinnati.

 
at 2/18/2008 10:14 AM Blogger Unknown said...

I'd rather pay big in FA for a guy getting his second contract, not a player like Crumpler on this third AND having played very little last year. Some team out there will overpay for his 30 year old services. Besides if the Bengals resign Andrews, Madieu and Landon, plus accomodate their expected 10 draft picks, they won't have a ton of free cash anyway.

 
at 2/18/2008 10:38 AM Blogger Champ Summers said...

No one who wants Crumpler is asking to max out the cap. At this point in Crumpler's career he could be had for a bargain deal.

If someone else want to over pay then let him go there. The option should be explored.

I agree that this offense is predictable and as long as Brat is here we probably won't use the TE properly, which sux.

If we had a clue we'd look at how good and great QB's use the TE. Give Carson the option.

 
at 2/18/2008 10:58 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I seem to remember Crumpler gashed the Bengals D big time in a Sunday night game about 3 years ago, before Michael Vick's downfall.

I'm sure he can be productive, but given his salary and recent injury, there are just too many more pressing holes to fill, on both lines.

That plus the fact Bratkowski really doesn't throw to the TE much anyway in his scheme - which I never quite understood.

Taking leave of reality for a second, assuming we might actually make the playoffs in the next decade - I would rather see us build an offense around a high quality TE who can run block and also catch a ball over the middle, plus a good slot receiver. (Yes, I am describing the steelers offense)

Bad weather teams with good TEs and strong running games usually advance in January. Precise and deep threat WRs are fine when its 80 degrees and sunny in September, but don't help much when the weather turns.

But the latter, a more WR oriented offense, seems to be the one Bratkowski likes. Hmmmmm.

 
at 2/18/2008 11:13 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bengals should try to sign Crumpler. I don't think they will though because Mike Brown is a cheap owner in Free Agency. He only likes to spend alot of money on his own free agents. If they don't try to sign Crumpler, they should try to draft Fred Davis USC or Martin Rucker Missouri at the TE position somewhere in the 2nd round if they are still available.

 
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