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Mark Curnutte started covering the Bengals and the NFL for The Enquirer in 2000. He previously wrote about urban affairs and other social issues for the Enquirer. He won the prestigious 1994 Unity Award from Lincoln University (Missouri) for "A Polite Silence," a seven-day series about race relations in Greater Cincinnati. He also has worked as an assistant features editor and features writer at The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C. Curnutte is second vice president and a three-year board member of the Professional Football Writers of America (PFWA). He is a 1984 Miami University graduate.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007

On Chad and Marvin

Some thoughts on the Chad Johnson situation and head coach Marvin Lewis' handling of it and the media:

-- Chad Johnson isn't the Bengals' biggest problem. He's far from the Bengals' biggest problem. Chad Johnson doesn't draft players, manage the salary cap or decide which end-of-career, bargain-basement free agents to pursue. I'm sure Chad Johnson would have loved for his team to aggressively pursue and sign linebacker Adalius Thomas, who ended up with the Patriots.

-- Chad Johnson is not the head coach, nor the offensive coordinator. Nor the defensive coordinator, for that matter.

-- If Chad Johnson were to be traded, T.J. Houshmandzadeh's productivity would decrease. Houshmandzadeh is an excellent receiver, a man worthy of respect for the self-made nature of his climb to stardom, but Johnson attracts a great deal of attention from defenses that helps create space and mismatches for Houshmandzadeh.

-- If you think Chris Henry could step and replace Johnson, you're wrong. Henry has proven not to be dependable. And Henry is one misstep from a even greater NFL discipline. Commissioner Roger Goodell said as much, and further punishment could include banishment.

-- Chad Johnson is not nearly the disruption that Terrell Owens or other wide receivers have been on their respective teams. Johnson works incredibly hard at practice and shows up to work on time every day.

-- Chad Johnson, last time I checked, doesn't play defense for the Bengals. And the defense, far and away, remains the biggest problem on this team. It shows no signs more signs of sustainable improvement now than it did in 2003 or 2004.

-- Is Chad Johnson a scape goat, or as Emmitt Smith said Sunday on ESPN, an "escapegoat," for all of the Bengals' problems? Is Johnson a convenient distraction being used by the organization to deflect attention from the real issues of front office management and coaching? If Johnson is an internal problem, is the degree of that issue being exaggerated to deflect attention from an under-achieving team and coaching staff? I'm just asking the question here.

-- That said, Chad Johnson might very well be an internal disruption in the locker room. But I would say he has contributed much more to the organization than he has taken. I think he has made the Brown family a ton of money.

-- I think, and this is a possible attitude in the Bengals front office, that Drew Rosenhaus, Johnson's agent, is the choreographer of many of Johnson's antics -- the puppeteer, to some extent.

-- ESPN's Chris Mortensen is one of the top NFL reporters in the country. He wouldn't make up a Bengals source like the one that he said told him that the Bengals have discussed the possibility of trading Chad Johnson.

-- This is fact, not a complaint: Marvin Lewis is one of those NFL head coaches who treats the national media differently -- more favorably -- than the local media. It happens in other markets around the league; these coaches think they get more bang for their buck going nationally. Lewis has his pet national reporters, ones he receives with hugs (Michael Smith of ESPN, for example) on their visits, reporters that have "helped" him in the past, and he talks to them frequently. I don't want a hug, if that's what some of you are thinking. I just want relatively honest answers.

It's Lewis' prerogative to talk to whom he chooses. But he also insults his team's customers when he fails to communicate honestly with them -- hiding behind an often-bogus cloak of protecting competitive advantage -- through the local media, the primary source of information for Bengals' fans.

I don't take what I think is his evasive, often condescending attitude with us personally. I don't. He can answer our questions any way he chooses. In fact, I receive a lot of e-mail and phone calls from readers who want to know how the local media contingent resists telling Lewis to stick it sideways when he says we (and his customers) are too stupid to understand the basics of football or otherwise attempts to insult us.

For those radio listeners who think the only contact one of the beat reporters has with Lewis is during his news conferences, you're wrong. I can't speak for the other reporters, but the majority of my contact with Lewis is done on the side when there are no cameras or microphones around, one-on-one as often as possible. And for the most part, he is accessible. When I have something important to ask him, unless there is no other chance to talk to him that day, I won't ask it in a news conference.

And, finally, I have told this to Marvin directly: I respect him. I understand what he is trying to do with the Bengals; I don't think he gets much help upstairs, and while he might not need a general manager, he does need more sets of eyes in the scouting department (beyond the good scouts the club already has) to provide him with more and better information on players. I also think he is an intelligent man with an admirable work ethic. But I won't kiss his butt. If I did, I wouldn't be -- and I'm going to use one of his pet slogans -- doing my job. The relationship between newspaper reporter and source, by definition, is frequently awkward.

In fact, he sent word through a Bengals public relations employee that he disagreed with the thesis of my Sunday story -- that the high number of hamstring and groin pulls/strains suffered by Bengals players since Sept. 7 are largely preventable. OK, we can agree to disagree. I stand by the story. I approached Lewis about it directly last week. I asked to speak to his strength and conditioning coach, Chip Morton. I offered them plenty of time and space to tell their side. Morton declined in the end. But Lewis did talk.


57 Comments:

at 10/23/2007 12:23 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You won't kiss Chad's rear end either. Your nose is already too far up...

Even when Chad claims it's not all about Chad......

It's all about Chad......

 
at 10/23/2007 12:30 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

straight and to the point!!!!! i love it!

 
at 10/23/2007 12:33 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Excellent, excellent stuff in your blog the last two days Mark, especially this(Tuesday) morning. I know you dug deep for what you wrote, and it came through. Very impressive work.

As for Johnson, I agree he may be getting the shaft just a bit here, as in scapegoat. I've had the opportunity to meet him a couple of times in the locker room when I was down at PBS doing some work for the team, and he was always nice, inquisitive about what I was doing, and welcoming. It would be very hard for me to imagine him being a SERIOUS distraction. If he were traded, or worse, run, out of town it would be a disgrace, considering some of the jokers they have kept around. It will be interesting to see how this Steeler game goes.

 
at 10/23/2007 12:34 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark,

Once again, you have written an excellent blog. EXCELLENT! This is so to the point.

Keep it up!

 
at 10/23/2007 12:43 PM Blogger Brian Xavier Martens said...

Outstanding post. I think I agree with everything you said. People are crazy to think this team with could be better without Chad. This team has way more problems than what Chad brings. Besides, didn't they go 11-5 with Chad a few years ago? I love the attitude he brings. It's great to have a player other teams love to hate. Sometimes he may go to far, but his contribution seems to far outweigh his negative in my view. I hope the players and coaches can work it out with him and fix the real problem - THE DEFENSE! (Isn't it interesting that Leslie Frazier is doing okay at Minnesota? And Dick seesm to do just fine at Pittsburgh?) Perhaps the defensive players need traded.

 
at 10/23/2007 12:46 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, excellent job and I am with you 100%. As for me, Marvin only alientates me more by the way he treats the local media, which is the direct line to fans. He comes off as a holier-than-thou, pompous ass.

Chad a problem? Hell no. People forget TO's act two years ago. The guy doesn't take plays off like Randy Moss. What a joke...this team has no idea that the problems are a severely lacking scouting department, no GM, the Brown family and the Defense.

 
at 10/23/2007 1:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Defense is the problem. These players are all Marvins picks. So he either= 1) can't evaluate talent or 2) he has talent and can't coach defense. Its one or the other. Period. I believe our drafts have been terrible (K Ratliff).

 
at 10/23/2007 1:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good post.

Putting blame on Chad Johnson is just stupid. The one thing the Bengals have been consistently good at the past 4 years is throwing and catching the football.

The majority of the blame goes to the peoople responsible for bringing in defensive players. And ultimately to the Brown family for their failure to hire a GM and for keeping the smallest scouting department in the NFL.

 
at 10/23/2007 1:17 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice post. Nice to see Chad's contribution to the team analyzed fairly and intelligently by at least one member of the local media. Its hard to believe that Marvin didn't have the "pull" to convince Mike to expand the scouting department prior to this season. I may be in the minority, but I question how much Mike still pulls the strings. My impression is that this has been Marvin's operation for some time. Whether a coach can handle all those responsibilities remains to be seen - but short of hiring a GM (which won't happen anytime soon), I've got to believe Marvin had the green light to make some changes in the scouting department. I know its easy to bash the Brown family, but I can't see Mike putting up that big a fight if Marvin wanted a few more scouts. I could be wrong though.

 
at 10/23/2007 1:18 PM Blogger Brad said...

Good stuff Mark, agree 100%.

 
at 10/23/2007 1:28 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The nail is in the wood. You struck it on the head. Feels good, doesn't it?

Thanks for your integrity here. That is, reporting facts and the truth. This city has been enmeshed in such homers and dreamers that we bandaid everything.

My two boys walked up to Mike Brown once in Georgetown when they were 7 and 9. He turned after offering them a fish hand shake and my youngest son noticed a large hole in the back of his white shirt. He pointed to it and said, "he needs a mommy."

Maybe, while we have been fighting for professionalism and integrity in scouting and personnel we should have focused on seeing if Mike needs a mommy.

Keep hitting nails.

 
at 10/23/2007 1:52 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't disagree with a single point you make, Mark. It's too bad that the powers that be in the Bengals management don't see the same things.

Mike Brown is the anti-Paul Brown. Paul Brown was an innovator in the sport and he was rewarded with championships. Mike Brown stubbornly sticks to doing things the way his father did them 40 years ago. However, times have changed. The way Paul Brown did things back in the day might not be valid anymore.

Paul Brown might be rolling over in his grave, but Mike Brown is laughing all the way to the bank.

 
at 10/23/2007 1:54 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent, Excellent post Mark. One of your best items I can ever remember reading. Clearly Chad isn't perfect, but I really do think your summary is spot on. Keep up the good work and don't ever go Hobson style coverage on us.

 
at 10/23/2007 2:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Bengals win football games you won't hear that much about Chad. In order to win football games we need a great coach & leader who can get us over the hump. Which is one thing Marvin can't & will not be able to do in Cincinnati. Fire the coach not one of our best players!

 
at 10/23/2007 2:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you. I also believe Chad is a scapegoat. Otherwise, where was all this criticism 2 years ago? No one has ever thought he was perfect, but they only want to be rid of him when they're losing, which is absurd. This team is all about Chad, because he's one of the three good players we have (I'm counting Carson and TJ--we have some other solid players, but no playmakers. That's why we're 8-8 almost every year).

And just because Mort is a great reporter doesn't mean he can't be wrong, or off base, or interpret things however he wants. He may be right, but I'm not about to take any reporter for his word. They all have an opinion, and they all realize the bigger the news, the bigger their name becomes. Not that I trust Marvin any more, but I just get sick of the media blowing everything up.

In full support of Chad...

 
at 10/23/2007 2:04 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you really want to know if Chad's a problem, just listen to the way he speaks. Listen to what he says. Watch his expressions when he's asked questions. Watch his reaction when he gets a question he dislikes. Does he act condescending (ala Marvin and most head coaches)? Does he blow off the question-asker? Does he curse when replying? Now watch someone like ... ohhh ... Barry Bonds. Especially when times are tough. Just watch him ... or TO ... or Randy Moss ...

He plays well. He is on time to work (or so I'm told). I don't see him pointing fingers at other teammates, just himself. Give me 50 other guys just like him, with his passion, and let's see how often we lose!

Already too much time devoted to this topic. Trade him, don't trade, whatever. Surely, Chad must be the problem!!! Yea, that's sarcasm ... ask Marvin, he'll spot it.

 
at 10/23/2007 2:06 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

All my conversations with people about the Bengals remind me of a notion someone posted in John Fay's Reds blog a few months ago (regarding Adam Dunn, of course): Fans of bad teams tend to focus on the shortcomings of those teams' best players, as opposed to the anonymous schleps who at best don't contribute and at worst are quietly inept game in and game out.

I don't mention this as a dig against Bengals fans, or people who frequent this blog, or even Chad Johnson's detractors. I mention it because I believe it's another subtle indication that the Bengals this year are a bad team. I mean, the defense made Derek Anderson look like Tom Brady a few weeks back, and half of Cincinnati is ripping on our Pro Bowl wide receiver who lead the league in receiving yards the last four seasons...

--JR

 
at 10/23/2007 2:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark: The local media is being played by Marvin in his effort to create an "us vs. them" attitude in the locker room. Think back to his first year when the media accustomed to the 90's debacle doubted the Bengals commitment. Smart move by Marvin trying to motivate a potentially good, albeit mediocre at present team. He wants the attention on him, and you are taking the bait.

 
at 10/23/2007 2:15 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad but true! I've been waiting for years for this organization to turn things around and just when I think we're headed in that direction it turns out to be a Fallacy. This is an awesome post though! Hopefully this will hit the eyes and ears of the decision makers and some changes will be made.

 
at 10/23/2007 2:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark,

You are a liberal whack job.

Sincerely,

Poker dude

 
at 10/23/2007 2:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post, Mark.

The theory about someone using Chad as a distraction for other front office woes is a good one. If the Brown family wants to become a respected NFL franchise, they need to listen to the man they brought in to change the franchise (ie Marvin). Use the Rooneys in Pittsburgh as a model. They have more than a handful of full time scouts who seek Steeler-type players that fit their system.

 
at 10/23/2007 2:17 PM Blogger Number 1 Fan said...

Agreed,

This is the same Chad Johnson that had fans drooling at what he would do next when we were winning. He puts up incredible all NFL numbers. Cincinnati fans are some of the most fickle creatures ever. They love you when you win and hate you when you lose.

Whodeyfans.com

 
at 10/23/2007 2:19 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where can I get Chad's autugraph?

Sincerely,

Autumn's Hazy Eyes

 
at 10/23/2007 2:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever anyone might think about the Bengals or Chad, isn't it interesting that people stick up for Chad by comparing him to Randy Moss or T.O. I just don't get the "he isn't the biggest jackass" defense.

John Burroughs
Hyde Park

 
at 10/23/2007 2:48 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trade talk of Chad Johnson is another indication of the Bengals' front office problems. These comments were not made to deflect any of the Bengals issues as a team. They have quite honestly done the opposite, and now we have a key player questioning his own perceived value to this team and city.

I don't question for a second whether Chad is concerned about his own ability, but he is a passionate player that needs to know we support him. And that's not a bad thing. His passion and emotion for the game have taken his play to an elite level. Not to mention help the Bengals go from NFL joke to division champs.

The comments made from the Bengals "source" were misdirected. It's ironic that it is probably the person who MADE the comments that is more a part of this teams' problems than Chad.

And Marvin's involvement in this disgraceful mess is almost more disturbing than the trade rumors. As a long time fan, Marvin's recent "us versus the world" mentality is a spit in the face of the dedicated fan base of this football team. Guess what Marvin? It's OUR team versus you and the rest of the Bengals front office that continue to bog down this organization in to mediocrity...AND WORSE.

My own passion and emotion for Bengals football may have skewed these comments. Thank you Chad for re-instilling in me that passion and emotion.

 
at 10/23/2007 2:51 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark you are absolutely right. The good FAR outweighs the bad when it comes to Chad. If everyone on this team worked as hard as he does, we would be far better off.

The problem with this team comes from the lack of support from the front office. It's that simple.

I think Marvin can be a really good coach, if he is just that, a coach. Not the GM, coach, scout and ONLY face of the organization. However, Marvin does act like a pompous little a&$ during the press conferences. Next time he says to you, (and the fans) that "we wouldn't understand" I would remind him that if Chris Henry can understand plays and schemes, at the NFL level, I'm pretty sure anyone with a pulse can.

 
at 10/23/2007 3:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good stuff, Mark, or as Judge Smails would say, "Top notch! Top notch!" While I don't believe his work ethic rivals Chad's, Moss is a good expample for who is driving the Bengal bus. Moss was a problem for Mariucci, former head NFL coach, now out of the league. Moss was a problem for Art Shell, former head coach, now out of the league. Moss goes to the Patriots, and now appears to be riding along with Brady & Belichick on the bus to Canton. WR's are different. Jerry Rice, the best receiver ever, was a diva who needed Walsh to get to the Hall.

 
at 10/23/2007 3:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, great post except for the part about Mortensen. This is the same guy who was reporting that Eli Manning tore his rotator cuff and would be out a month. I think Mort, like many journalists in the current 24 hour news cycle, are more concerned about being first than being accurate. I don't buy it for a minute that the Bengals want to trade Chad. And for once, would someone please have the onions to criticize Palmer for having a bad game? He's a great QB, but when he makes mistakes it's as if everyone looks the other way, yet if Chad makes a mistake or has an outburst, he suddenly becomes the main problem with this team.

 
at 10/23/2007 3:15 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow!! An honest no BS blog. That was really, really worth the time to write and read it. I do have a few things to say on this. Marvin has a point when he thinks or (did he actually?) says that most of the local fans don't understand the concepts of NFL football. I can't speak of the writers because I rarely read the local NFL coverage here (maybe this is my mistake after viewing this blog). I truly believe that most NFL fans in the Cincinnati area are ignorant football fans. As you can probably tell I'm not from the area, this is mostly why I don't read too much NFL local coverage. However, I do have season tickets to the Reds and with the exception of my favorite NFL team have embraced the Reds and Bengals as much as possible.

It's amazing to me the comments on radio and on blogs that local fans make, it's almost like they've never even watched an NFL game until the last two years. I mean I’m certain most radio hosts and fans that call in don’t even really know all the positions on the field or their responsibilities (unfortunately it doesn’t look like Marvin’s defense does either). So not to make any excuses for Marvin because I have further things to say about him, but I can see his point. Even though no one likes to hear they don’t understand something, I just think people haven’t had enough exposure to a larger Metropolitan area’s winning NFL team. I will leave this point with, these two things:
1. Indigenous Cincinnatians have forgotten more about College Basketball than I or most other towns will ever know.
2. I’ve never been in a town where almost every baseball fan, absolutely understands and comprehends how to play baseball, the strategy, and the logic behind the game. I mean from my 84 year old Aunt (whose lived here all her life to a 12 year old), it’s hard to find someone who doesn’t understand the game.

Here is my take on Marvin:
If a coach in any other town had one winning season in 7 years, that coach would be fired. Period, would be fired. How come no one, has even mentioned that during this rough stretch? I mean the Bengals have made the playoffs once since he’s been coached. How is his job not on the line this season?

 
at 10/23/2007 3:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good reporters report the news and tell both sides of the story....you do that! If you don't tell one side of the story its because Marvin or the Bengals won't allow you to due to their attitudes. Nothing you can do about that.
I believe that 80-90% of the Cincy fans don't think Chad's the problem and I'm guessing if Chad goes so does a lot of revenue for the Browns. He has made them money and I really can't see them saying take your act elsewhere knowing that he also takes his Ocho-Cinco antics with him. Which means marketing possibilities on a national stage.
Keep up the good work! Maybe one of the upcoming fired NFL coaches will come in and take the defensive coordinators job. That is what the Bengals need!

 
at 10/23/2007 3:31 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

great post. let's get more of this in the day to day on this site. it can be hard to cut through most of the info that's "controlled" by NFL teams so getting a clear-cut, direct perspective is what keeps the intelligent fan involved and pulling for his team. again, great job Mark.

 
at 10/23/2007 3:50 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over lunch, I just read your blog on the Marvin and Chad trade front. I want to once again commend you on your blog. These are the entries that I love to read, and you hit the nail right on the head. It is amazing in the night and day difference that winning and losing makes.

I also love the entries on life and music, that you enter in to maintain your sanity. I have to admit, and this is a little strange, but your mother’s eulogy, though I never knew her or yourself personally, is extremely touching. So much, that before I got married last month, I shared it with my now wife, and I told her I hope to grow old with you listening to the Reds on radio, drinking beer at the kitchen table… Just like you vision your parents before they played their first game of Yahtzee.

Thanks for all you do in covering the Bengals and in making us think a little with the Lyrics of the Day, etc… Because at the end of the day, there is much more to life than wins and losses, etc…

 
at 10/23/2007 4:06 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Athletes and coaches tend to get defensive and condescending when someone has hit a nerve.
The numbers Palmer, Johnson and Houshmandzadeh have put up with no legitimate third WR threat and a horrid running game are spectacular.
Chad's selfishness or drama queenitis may be a problem to some in the locker room, but I'd ask those who have a problem with him, in the locker room or the offices of Bengaldom, what the hell are you doing to help the team win?
Justin Smith, Madieu Williams, John Thornton, and the rest of the defensive scrubs are a hell of a lot more culpable than someone doing their damndest to win.
Great postings today.

 
at 10/23/2007 4:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ditto to what everyone else is saying. Great reporting. I go to this blog way more than ESPN.com to find out info on the Bengals. Marvin is an idiot if he thinks we fans pay more attention to the national media.

You are dead right. Chad does not coach or play defense. Maybe he should? He can't be worse than those other clowns.

As a side note, does everyone else notice that our corner backs are never close to the receivers when they catch the ball? I watched the Dallas game and their corners are actually within 5 yards of the receivers when they catch the ball.

 
at 10/23/2007 4:36 PM Blogger russ said...

Mark,

I know that you frequently insist that you are a reporter and not not a columnist. I understand that with regards to the Enquirer. However, a blog is a medium for interjecting opinion as well as stating facts as you have done here. All that and some behind the scenes insight to boot! This is by far your best blog entry yet. Look at how many people have commented already!

 
at 10/23/2007 4:41 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark,

Great article. Chad Johnson once sacred me at the grocery store once.

Sincerely,
Mrs. HTR

 
at 10/23/2007 5:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep your hands off my blog.

Sincerely,

Mark Gose

 
at 10/23/2007 5:13 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

jack w is the mole that leaked the Paul Byrd HGH story.

 
at 10/23/2007 5:28 PM Blogger wiseking said...

You're getting the hang of this, Mark. Top class work. Tell us this. Is this team focused on playing 60 minutes of football on Sunday?

In fact, don't answer. We should not be surprised by the outcome then. And that'll be Chad's fault as well, I suppose. If Lewis wanted to manage the locker room, this was not the best way to do it.

 
at 10/23/2007 5:47 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark,

This is a great blog post.

Thanks and keep up the good work!

-Daniel, Mexico City.

 
at 10/23/2007 6:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trading Chad would be the dumbest thing the Bengals could ever do. The trickle down effect on the team would be terrible.

You trade a top 5 WR only if he doesn't play hard, doesn't practice hard or doesn't get along with his teammates OFF the field, you don't trade him for being one competative SOB who gets a little worked up on the field when mistakes are made. GREAT players strive and search for perfection, and to me the media way overhypes when Chad and Carson get on each other during games, it just means you have two hyper competative players discussing what happened and getting on each other to make sure it doesn't happen again.

You don't worry about the on the field crap, until it becomes off the field crap. Someone said it is funny that the Randy Moss and TO are brought up to defend Chad Johnson, well of course they are as they are prime examples of EXACTLY when a star WR starts to HURT his team, and unless you are a moron or have other ulterior motives, you can easily see that Chad is not even close to being the on the field bore that Randy was in Minnesota and Oakland, and the off the field and on the field bore that TO was in San Francisco and Philly.

Chad want to win, and if the Bengals were winning NO ONE would care one bit about his antics. His antics have NEVER lost a game, but the pathetic defense and injuries sure have. Come on Cincy, show we are not collective idiots and focus on the REAL issues with the Bengals, focus on the terrible defense, the tone deaf offensive play calling, the injuries, the small scouting department, and the lack of vision and effort in the off season to build an NFL caliber defense.

You fix those things and the Bengals will win, if you continue to obsess and focus on Chad's antics, Marvin's behavior to the media(I think some of you don't have a clue or watch other coach's press conferences, Marvin is not by himself in his attitude towards the media, heck I would say he is a member of a large group, but that is for a different discussion), etc., you are never going to force the team to own up to its own shortcoming. By being stupid and focusing on stuff that has nothing to do with winning, you allow the team to not focus on winning.

 
at 10/23/2007 7:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grate post Marc, Steve in Kenwood

 
at 10/23/2007 7:42 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark--That was the best, most insightful thing you may have ever written about the Bengals. This is what we need from you. Insight, analysis, and some opinion. Save todays injuries and waiver wire for your Bengals Notebook section. This past week has been really refreshing with your stuff.

 
at 10/23/2007 8:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, I usually read your columns with a big ho-hum because they have always seemed so superficial. However, you have made up for the past with this one. Thanks.

Chad and Marvin need a PR person to teach them how to handle themselves appropriately in dealing with the public. Chad's constant self-promotion and Marvin's "I'm above reporach" both need to be toned down for the good of the Bengals franchise. Too bad, but it probably wouldn't help Mike Brown.

 
at 10/23/2007 9:25 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typical Cincinnati Media, tough in the paper, week in the press conferences.....If they trade Chad, it would be the SMARTEST thing they could do. Probably would get a starting MLB and a 2nd round draft pick...Miami, Houston, Jacksonville are all teams with legitimate needs at WR and have strong LB corps.

 
at 10/23/2007 9:30 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on the mark, Mark. I could go on all day about the problems with the structure of this organization. The owner, his brother, his daughter, his son in law, his son, the guys who ran his stadium campaign, and oh yeah, they might actually have a football guy or two in the front office somewhere. maybe. HIRE A G.M. WITH REAL NFL PEDIGREE PLEASE!!!!!

 
at 10/23/2007 10:29 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very nice work Mark! There has been too much BS about this team anyway. Let Marvin love on ESPN even as they spend 10+ months talking about how the Bengals are a thug loving organisation while giving the problem players of other teams 45 sec's of air time. I love the point you made about the upper managment's lack of conviction. In FA, Adalius Thomas could have been had for Justin Smith's money, Lance Briggs could have been traded for. It would have taken 1st round pick or picks to get him but...what have we done since Palmer anyway? Better to give a ton of money to a player in his prime and fresh of a pro bowl than 1 just out of college! The money could have been done for both using the money allocated for the NFL draft picks! It can be done, you just have to have the will and nuts to want it. Thanks for being honest!!!

 
at 10/23/2007 10:41 PM Blogger JerBear said...

I think Chris Henry could fill Chad Johnson's shoes on a physical and skill level.

But as Mark mentioned, there is no way I would count on Chris Henry! It'll be nice to have him back in the offense, but I think it doesn't speak well of the Bengals organization that they are depending on Chris Henry to boost the offense.

Chad Johnson obviously loves the spotlight. I always thought he was a guy that would become a little more of a problem if the Bengals started losing.

He's definitely not the reason the Bengals stink, but I think if you look at from an objective viewpoint that you have to admit he is a bit of a distraction.

I wouldn't trade him, but it'd be nice if continued to mature a bit!

 
at 10/24/2007 3:19 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

As anyone with any intelligence can see, you are wrong (as usual) and Paul D. is right. As for the morons who want Marvin fired, you were all apparently born yesterday. In less than 5 years Lewis's Bengals are 37-33. In the 5 years prior to Lewis the Bengals went 16-48!! In the 11 years prior to Lewis, the Bengals were 52-124!! You guys act like you used to be the Yankees--instead of the WORST franchise in ALL OF SPORTS. What Lewis has done for the Bengals is nothing short of miraculous, yet you all call for his head. WHAT? So you can return to the glory days of LeBeau, Coslet, and Shula? How quickly you have forgotten how HORRENDOUS you were before Marvin changed everything and allowed you to actually have expectations! WAKE UP!! You go thru 15 years of utter chaos and disaster and now you can't stand that you are 37-33?...To say that you are spectacularly stupid would be an understatement.

 
at 10/24/2007 7:35 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question for all you Chad supporters. BTW I like Chad and agree he is an All Pro WR. However I disagree Mark. Based on talent (yea, yea I know I am excluding his head) C. Henry could replace him. Henry is fast and a bigger target with good hands. Here's my issue. Chad said he wanted be like Jerry Rice. Why does Chad disappear in BIG games? A legitimate question. What was he doing when team needed a leader after Palmer hurt in playoff game?

 
at 10/24/2007 7:42 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on! It' Steelers week. There have been too many distractions by the media. Save it for later.
I don't give a darn what the media says. I want to enjoy the Bengals and the NFL without listening to you or other media types who make a living by whining about every little thing that happens. Leave the commentary to the editorial staff.

 
at 10/24/2007 8:37 AM Blogger Evan Lahmer said...

The trade of Chad Johnson? I don’t think so. First of all it would be very stupid since the Bengals would lose so much money by releasing him because of signing bonus. Second, Chad is signed thru 2009 for five million dollars a year which is a great deal looking around the league at other players. Third, Chad makes up half of the receiving corps and without him we only have T.J. But, this is not the answer to the problem, all Marvin has to do is bench Chad for a couple of games and this will show not only Chad but other players on the team that he doesn’t want to put up with this mess and will play other people if he has to but Marvin won’t do that. The reason that Marvin won’t do that is because he has lost control of his team. Does anybody think that this whole problem would be happening if Marvin knew how to control his team? NO! The biggest problem with the Bengals boils down to the coaches.

 
at 10/24/2007 11:16 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chad Johnson is faster and
quicker than most receivers,
however has only average hands.
He's nearing 30. When he begins
to lose his physical skills he'll
simply be another guy.
He drops too many balls and never
comes up in the clutch.
Realize when he's gone Carson Palmer will create another Chad.

 
at 10/24/2007 12:05 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, Very impressive Blog, thank you for some insight into the beat reporters life. I truely enjoyed reading this blog. And I'm not kissing your butt, just appreciating a job well done

 
at 10/24/2007 1:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just don't undertand how Marvin Lewis somehow became the bad guy here. So what if he is vague when he addresses the media, most coaches are. And it probably is conducive to him keeping a level head and not losing his cool. Lay off the guy.

 
at 10/24/2007 3:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the articel but can we drop the Adalius Thomas thing. The guy has .5 sacks so far this year and would probably have less on our defense. If we would have paid him big money and he has the same stats teh fans would be going insane.

 
at 10/28/2007 8:49 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark,
Well said. I may not agree with every point, but this afternoon's game proved without a doubt that Marvin is a gutless finger-pointer.
The sadest part of all this is Chad's, Carson's, TJ's, and Willie's careers are being wasted.
My only hope is My Main Man Boeckman doesn't get drafted by the Bungles. Go Buckeyes!!!!!

 
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