Another look at Bengals-Steelers, reader e-mail
Item 1: Here’s a news release sent out today (Tuesday, Oct. 18) by the NFL about the game Sunday between the Bengals and Steelers.
Cincinnati gave the world ROY ROGERS. Pittsburgh produced GENE KELLY. As Rogers lived on an American landscape full of promise and hope, Kelly danced and crooned, catching raindrops with an open ear-to-ear smile.
The 2005 NFL season is lit with similar optimism for the Cincinnati Bengals (5-1) and Pittsburgh Steelers (3-2), division rivals for 36 years separated by 290 miles of highway.
However, only one team will have “happy trails” Sunday after meeting each other at Cincinnati’s Paul Brown Stadium on the Ohio River.
Both clubs hold high expectations due to the play of their young quarterbacks, who stand Nos. 1-2 in NFL passer rating: Pittsburgh’s BEN ROETHLISBERGER (123.8) and Cincinnati’s CARSON PALMER (113.6). Roethlisberger, 23, is in the midst of his second NFL season while Palmer, 25, is a third-year pro and in his second year as Cincinnati’s starter.
The game will mark only the second time since 1990 that quarterbacks with passer ratings higher than 113.0 square off as late as a Week 7 (Week 9, 2004: Minnesota’s DAUNTE CULPEPPER, 114.2, vs. Indianapolis’ PEYTON MANNING, 117.4).
“The fact that you have two franchise quarterbacks in the game who are both at nearly the same level of development is exciting,” says former Steelers tackle TUNCH ILKIN (1980-92), who today is a Steelers radio analyst. “It’s a beautiful thing. There’s a lot to look forward to.”
Cincinnati has led the AFC North for four weeks – the team’s longest first-place stretch since its seven-week tenure at the top in 1990 (Weeks 2-8). The Steelers, meanwhile, have won nine consecutive road games to equal the franchise record, accomplished in 1974-75. The 1974 and ’75 seasons saw the Steelers win their first two of four ’70s Super Bowls.
Of that era, former Cincinnati tight end BOB TRUMPY (1968-77) keenly recalls playing in the early years of the rivalry when the Bengals finished second in the division behind Pittsburgh by one game or less three years in a row (1975-77). Trumpy now calls NFL action on CBS Radio Sports/Westwood One.
“Their front four were extraordinary pass rushers,” says Trumpy of a Steelers’ “Steel Curtain” defense whose line was anchored by Pro Football Hall of Famer JOE GREENE and L.C. GREENWOOD. “When they blitzed, it was to kill a drive, change our offensive momentum, disrupt our timing, and it would drive us crazy.
“The Bengals teams of that era were very good. (Quarterback) KEN ANDERSON was just beginning to assert himself, BILL WALSH and BILL “TIGER” JOHNSON were calling the plays. The defense was quick, and tough. Many seasons we thought we were the second-best team in the league, not just the division. The Steelers were the team to beat, and we seldom did.” Pittsburgh won 11 of 16 against the Bengals from 1970-77 and were 5-1 against Cincinnati from 1975-77.
“The Cleveland Browns were (head coach) PAUL BROWN’s biggest rivalry, but to the players, it was the Steelers that we prepared hardest for,” says Trumpy.
Ilkin agrees. “Just being a part of that rivalry was memorable,” he says. “There was a real richness to it.”
ITEM 2: Chad Johnson has made a lot of news in the past couple of weeks, more than usual. He is the subject of several e-mails this week.
“He's an inconsistent, dishonest-big mouth. He was shut down against the Jaguars, by one of the best corners in the league, Rashean Mathis, and refused to admit it: 5 catches for 52 yards and they lost. He needs to admit it like a man.”
-- Jeffrey A. Humbarger, M.D., UC
Jacksonville, Fla.
“I really like Chad Johnson's passion for the game, but don't you think he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and just play football? The end zone dances are getting old. The next time Chad scores a touchdown, and I hope it’s a lot. I wish he could just hand the ball to an official and act like he's been there before.”
-- Mark Fisher, CPA
Bloomington, Ind.
"In my view, either Carson (Palmer) or Chad must go! If Carson Palmer cannot findChad Johnson on the field without over throwing him, then Chad should takehis talent elsewhere. It is sick and stupid to have arguably the best widereceiver in the NFL and to play as though he's not even on the field. Iknow that Carson is young in his career, but that's not an adequate excuse. If he continues to treat Chad as though he is invisible, then Chad should demand a trade.”
-- Anonymous
11 Comments:
wow...Mark Fisher and Jeffrey Humbarger are both raging morons. In fact, all three of those people have no clue what they are talking about. Chad Johnson is second in the league in receptions (39), 5th in the league in yards, and second in the league in touchdowns. Obviously people need to check their stats before they go out and make false observations.
Why would you (not you, Rob) want to disband one of the best offenses in the league? Can't find Chad? How stupid.
It really shocks me that some people really do think Chad Johnson is just a selfish "big-mouth". Now, both Dr. Humbarger and Mr. Fisher don't live in Cinncinnati, so I can understand their ignorance. But I've heard some Cincinnatians complain about Chad too. Look around the league. There are guys like TO and Randy who only have negative things to say about games or about their opponents. They brag about themselves in a serious fashion. they get on the field and outright pick fights with their opponents. These guys and others do TD celebrations that showcase their dominance even when they are down 35-7.
Chad Johnson is a comedian. He openly shows respect for his opponents. His TD celebrations are never offensive to anyone, and he only does them because he wants everyone to tune in and watch the Bengals. The "List", "Pepto, and "Let's go, Smoot!" were harmless pre-game positive actions meant to hype the game so people will want to watch.
If people don't get this, then they're not paying attention. They think that because he celebrates or talks to the media then he's Terrell Owens.
No one player is bigger than the Bengals team. This fan believes that Carson Palmer is smart enough not to throw into a double coverage situation, even though Chad Johnson is one of the top recievers in the NFL. Chad has the heart, desire, and swagger that has been missed for so long in Cincy.
It would take an idoit to suggest that the Bengals trade Carson or Chad...or that Chad should suggest a trade... No wonder you posted you narrow minded views as anonymous...Get a clue and stop wasting our time....
Dr. Humbarger for being such an educated man, your ignorance is almost unforgivable. To say that Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson should split up is ludicrous, I guess a passer rating of over 100 for a record breaking almost 10 games shows poor judgment of when to throw and whom to throw to. I’m sure even Chad would give Carson some praise for balls he threw to him which got them both to the pro bowel. also are you saying after one loss we should get rid of 2 pro bowlers, if his is you logic I think Jacksonville should consider releasing Henderson and Stroud after the two losses to Indianapolis and Denver, Edgerrin James and Mike Anderson seemed to have very few problems running up the middle! -Matt B
SOME OR I SHOULD SAY MOST OF THE PEOPLE LEAVING MESSAGES ARE IDIOTS!!!
I fully agree that Dr. Humbarger is a raging moron. If he were watching the game and listening to the post-game interviews/comments, he would have known that Chad Johnson wasn't "shut down" by Mathis by himself; Mathis had him under double coverage with the safety almost all the time, so to attribute limiting Johnson to 5 catches to only Mathis himself is absolutely incorrect. If you recall, the touchdown that Chad had in the first quarter he was NOT double covered, at least not at the end of the play. In fact, he left Mathis in the dust (you could see him behind Chad on the instant replay, way too far back to contest the pass) and caught a very nice pass from Carson Palmer for the TD. Perhaps you might want to watch the game again and rethink your statement. Put all that time you spent in school getting that MD to good use and do some research before you make blatantly idiotic statements such as the one here. Thank you.
I don't understand how you could ever want to trade Chad. He is one of the premier recievers in the league and has finished in the top 5 ever since he was 2003. He also opens up the offense for everyone else. Chris Perry and T. J. would have nothing underneath if Chad and not Chris Henry to some degree didn't stretch the coverage up the field.
As for our good friend the doctor, where was Rashean Mathis the first half when Chad was racking up 38 yards and a
TD. Was he just letting him have a great half. And does he really have to call him dishonest, is that really true? I think the doctor is one who is being dishonest here. Here is one thing that is true. Carson Palmer has thrown for more touchdowns this season than the entire Jacksonville Jaguars team has mustered all season.
P.S. Byron Leftwhich is overrated and is only a decent QB when his lineman have to carry him up and down the field.
-Pat
Oxford, OH
I love the way the Bengals are playing this year for the most part but...this pat down business is completely without merit.
Anyone think Mike Brown or his entourage is going to be patted down this Sunday? What about sky box owners?
Why not? Don't they pose the same risk to safety as any other patron who enters the game? How do I know Mike Brown hasn't flipped and is deciding to take terrorist action on any given Sunday? Wouldn't a terrorist just get a grappling hook and scale the walls of the stadium tonight?
Ridiculous you say? That's how I feel about the whole thing...
Just wait til the Bengals sue the county for the $80,000 per week it takes for this extra "security" blanket. When the county doesn't pay - guess what? - season ticket prices go up and so does beer and snacks.
I think I'm giving up my season tickets over this. There is no specific threat and people are willing to give up civil liberties just to enter a football game. I called Bengals security and they said people would not be admitted who refused a pat down.
Go Bengals!
i wish we cincinnatians could open the cincinnati.com site and not be overwhelmed with SPORTS news. life here as in other areas of the world is not a party. anyone who accesses the website thinks "we" can only think about the NEXT game. phooey!!! ball heads.
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